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Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
Rating: *____   (Average: ***__  from 24 votes)
By Neil Gunton (admin) on Thu 27 Aug 2009 16:10 (US/Pacific) Edit Delete   Reply (23)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
To be clear, this is a review specifically of the cable system that Ortlieb uses to fix its handlebar bag mounts to the handlebar.

The cable loops back and around the stem and handlebar and back into the Ortlieb mount. To fix it in place, you have to tighten a bolt which clamps down on the cable, and then tighten another bolt that creates tension.

Basically, the cables are single-use. The problem is that tightening the cable into the mount pushes a bolt into the cable, which squashes it and destroys the plastic casing. This then makes it well nigh impossible to remove the cable in one piece, since the plastic is now so mangled that it's completely stuck inside the mount. It's an extremely frustrating experience, if you ever want to simply move the bag to another bike then you have to cut it off with pliers and purchase a whole new cable replacement pack, which will cost at least $10 with shipping. I wish they could have gone with a system that was more re-usable.

Here's a tip: When you are attaching the cable to the very first bolt, make sure that a) the bolt is screwed all the way into the mount first, and b) you only thread the cable on the bolt one or two turns (i.e. minimal). This will give you the maximum ability to tighten the thing up at the end. The reason is that if you find that you need to pull it through more, you can't, because the cable is already mangled and stuck in place inside the housing. No amount of pulling with pliers can make it budge, so you're basically screwed - I wasted one cable this way. I'm sorry, but no attachment system should give you only one chance to get everything right, forcing you to buy a whole new cable just because you didn't gauge the tension correctly the first time. That's just plain silly.

I also rather dislike the way the mount has of rising upward as you tighten it. It's a really stupid system, surprising given the otherwise excellent construction and design of the Ortlieb gear.

Neil

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#2: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
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By John Pickett on Thu 27 Aug 2009 17:00 Edit Delete in reply to #1     Reply (3)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
I had the exact same experience. I bought a separate bag mount from a third party called a (klick fix or some such name) so I didn't have to hassle with the Ortlieb cable anymore. If you own a folder like I do you pretty much have to go this route.

And another thing, the snaps that close the lid on the bag are too hard to open and close....

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#3: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Shon Rainford on Thu 27 Aug 2009 17:14 Edit Delete in reply to #2     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
John,

Thanks for the Klickfix handlebar adapter reference! I also have issues with the Ortlieb cable mount. I'll probably be picking up one of the adapters from Wallingford soon. http://www.wallbike.com/klickfix/hbadapter.html

      
#4: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Neil Gunton (admin) on Thu 27 Aug 2009 17:41 Edit Delete in reply to #2     Reply (3)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
> And another thing, the snaps that close the lid on the bag are too hard to open and close....

Yes, and the lid on my handlebar bag doesn't seem to actually fit the bag body - it's just a little bit smaller than the body, it seems, and quite hard to get it over the lip. I've also found the snaps to be very stiff too. And yet, these are about the only 100% waterproof handlebar bags I've seen. I took a look at one of the Plus versions in the bike shop today, and the lid seemed to fit better on that one... so maybe it's just an individual matter with quality control. Maybe a good idea to buy one in person at a shop where you are able to confirm everything works correctly. It's telling that despite the shortcomings, I still like these bags... nothing's perfect, but in this case the pluses are worth the hassles, so far at least!

Oh, and one last thing - I wish they would just do away with the silly lock on the mount. It's next to useless. I'm not going to lock the bag to the bike, if I leave the bike then I take the handlebar bag with me, because it has my valuables in it. Everybody I know does this. What's the point of a lock, when you can simply open the lid by unclipping the snaps??? They could simplify, and reduce costs too, if they redesigned the whole mounting system for their handlebar bags, and did away with the stupid lock in the process.

And those kids better get off my lawn, too.

Neil

      
#5: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By John Pickett on Thu 27 Aug 2009 17:46 Edit Delete in reply to #4     Reply (2)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Good points. In order to clip my bag onto the mount I have to open the bag, orient the mounting connector on the bag just so, then snap it into place.

What's really weird about this is how simple the attachment of Ortlieb panniers is. It's as if the designers thought, "Well, they can get the panniers on and off really easily, let's make the bag mount a bitch to get even."

      
#6: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Neil Gunton (admin) on Thu 27 Aug 2009 17:51 Edit Delete in reply to #5     Reply (5)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Anybody else see these issues? Please chime in here. If we get a good number of people expressing their opinions, then it might be worth sending a link to this thread to Ortlieb USA so they can tell the guys in Germany and maybe get some changes in the design. I don't know why people have put up with it for this long, to be honest, but the only way they'll understand is through constructive feedback from the users. I personally love Ortlieb panniers, and even the handlebar bag (mostly, see my previous comments) but they really need to fix this handlebar mount system, ditch the stupid lock and make the opening/closing of the snaps more easy.

Other things I would change:

o Bring back the net pocket on the front of the handlebar bag, like I have in my 1998 model. That was really useful for keeping maps (e.g. the Adventure Cycling maps, which are waterproof) and clipping pepper spray cans. Those two pathetic little pockets on the sides that they have now (on the Plus model) are just too small for anything useful. Additionally, they just further mess with any clearance issues you might be having with noodles associated with STI type brifters or otherwise narrow handlebars.

o Get rid of the annoying pegs on the sides of the bag, which (I think) are for attaching a shoulder strap but only seem to get in the way of closing the lid completely. Ok, so I could probably remove those things myself with a saw, but still. Does anybody actually use these things with a shoulder strap? I leave the strap at home usually because it's just a pain to carry around, taking up space.

o Rethink the map holder which clips onto the top of the bag. It's nice in theory, but in reality any kind of headwind makes the back edge flap up and down like crazy, and there's nothing in the design of the bag to stop this. I happened to have a couple of cans of pepper spray clipped to my trekking bars last year, which I was able to angle to hold the rear edge of the map case down in the wind. But that was pure luck - if I had drop bars, then I wouldn't have had much ability to stop that annoying flapping. Maybe some velcro or more clips at the back would work.

Neil

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My old Ortlieb handlebar from circa 1998. The net pocket on the front is much more useful for holding maps etc than the small side pockets they have now. Also, bring back green!

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#7: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Malena Stiteler on Thu 27 Aug 2009 21:40 Edit Delete in reply to #6     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
YES! I've been very unhappy with my Ortlieb (regular, not Plus) handlebar bag. It does keep things dry, even in heavy monsoon rain, but nearly everything else about it annoys me. For the amount of money it costs, I would expect that the design work would be better.

I gather that the reason for the cable mount is so it can be attached to a wide variety of handlebars, but it slips and slides and doesn't feel as secure as I'd prefer. I'm also going to be switching bikes in the next few weeks, which seems a not unreasonable request for a bag to accommodate.

Other annoyances: The pegs are terrible and make the top fit improperly. I actually would like to use the included strap, but the locking mechanism for attaching the strap to the pegs is feeble and the straps frequently fall off (I carry a camera, and I don't want to drop it.) The snaps are too hard, so I seldom use them. The top is too small, making closing the pack an ordeal. The lock is useless - if there was a way to lock the pack SHUT it might be worth it, but as it is, it's just silly and something extra to worry about.

Actually, I would LOVE a waterproof handlebar bag that doubled as a not-terrible-looking shoulderbag. Unfortunately, this doesn't exist on the market today...

In any case, I guess the bag works well enough when it is closed, but I use it many, many times a day when I tour - to take my camera out, to pay for things, to check the guidebook, and every time I open and shut it I'm reminded of all the ways I dislike this bag. They got the big stuff right, which is important, but on a long trip the little stuff gets magnified.

      
#8: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Jerry Juday on Thu 27 Aug 2009 22:02 Edit Delete in reply to #1     Reply (1)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
We had the same problems with the Ortlieb handlebar bag on my son's bike this summer. My Arkel handlebar bag, although it was big and heavy and not waterproof without the rain cover, did not have these shortcomings.

Another issue with the Ortlieb cable mounting was that it prevented us from taking advantage of the "pop top" stem on my son's bike. In packing the bike for shipment I couldn't just take the front cover off the "pop top" stem to remove the handlebar because the Ortlieb cable lashed the front cover of the stem to the stem and bar. I had to remove the whole stem with the bar attached and use twine tied through the headset and the headtube to hold the fork in the frame. Annoying.

      
#9: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
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By John McArthur on Thu 27 Aug 2009 22:29 Edit Delete in reply to #6     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Yes, I have the Ortleib plus and then spent another $A100.00 in Australia last week to buy another two mounts in order to avoid having to remove one (tried it once, never again) due to the wire. If it is done correctly and never to be moved, then maybe. But a better idea may be a better idea.

Additionally, if the tug on the wire is insufficient when you tighten (it can seem okay, then is not) then a re-adjustment means pulling that @#C%^%& disturbed plastic coating thru a hole just big enuff or not! Otherwise I love the bag. It has a small mesh pocket each side to take a cell phone or ? The accessory map clear holder is excellent. Waterproof and not affected by UV lite. However, it flaps!!! Needs something to hold it at the rear??

And what of maps not in use. I have the camera insert and so space inside is limited. Yes, the net pocket on front would assist greatly.

The strap pegs are okay,(but I NEVER use the strap) especially on Trekker bars, however the tab closure of the lid is especially fiddly. There is nothing to pressure against. Trick to it I am sure.

The lock. Why? As my passport etc is in the bag there is no way it will stay on the bike when I am not there. Not even for one second (robbed in Vancouver by gentlemen in suits) As I will not rob myself why the lock? And, if I lose the key?? Maybe for someone, but not needed by tourists?
Oh hell, those kids are now on my lawn
John

      
#10: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By John McArthur on Thu 27 Aug 2009 22:30 Edit Delete in reply to #8     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
I hear you on this one

      
#11: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By John McArthur on Thu 27 Aug 2009 22:33 Edit Delete in reply to #5     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
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#12: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
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By Laura Roberts on Fri 28 Aug 2009 01:02 Edit Delete in reply to #1     Reply (1)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
OK, guess I'm setting myself up for some "Disagree" ratings here, but my Ortlieb bag brace has been put on my Bike Friday NWT five times now with the same cable. The first few times, it took us both, but after returning home from Europe last year, I put it on by myself and I'm not the least bit mechanically inclined...just got tired of waiting for you-know-who to put it on there for me. We didn't have a problem with the cable being squished by the screw...maybe we don't tighten it enough to do that, but it works just fine. I'm not putting something as heavy as an SLR in there though.

We did have a problem threading the cable back through one of the holes because the end was a bit frayed. We found out it could gently be reshaped with a pair of pliers and then it slid right through. We did originally leave a little extra on one end in case we had to clip a bit off each time, but we only did that until we discovered the pliers fix.

The top can be a pain in the neck to close, but when I make sure the edge of the lid isn't turned up it goes right on. This is hard to explain, but I take my pointer fingers hooked under the edge and start at the front of the bag, bringing them toward me. Works for me.

The insert...I only use it around town when I'm not carrying much. It takes up too much space. The strap...I use mine a lot, but you do have to make sure it is snapped in there or the strap will come off. I have been leaving my strap attached and letting it hang in front of the bike. Works with my bike. The lock...only use I can think of is once I didn't have the bag snapped in properly and it totally came off the bike. If I'd been locking it, I'd known it wasn't on there. The map bag...I hate it, but I didn't like the ones on my other two bags either. I must be hard on them, but doesn't take long until I can't read a thing through them. The other bags have a strap that I can clothespin my maps to...usually have them in replaceable ziplock bags. Replaced only rarely, but a cheap thing to do. Around here, one has lasted all summer. On the 3-month European trip may have used two. At least the top of the Ortlieb map bag has a plastic strap I can clip maps to, but I'd prefer a short, braided ribbon or fabric strap sewed to the bag...could be used for a handle, also.

I'd love to have outside net pockets...it's the feature I miss the most. The addition of those may get me to replace my bag which isn't showing any wear at this time.

No, you shouldn't have to be straightening things with pliers or fiddling so much with the lid...these are just work arounds I've used because I do love the bag. In spite of adjusting to my Ortlieb bag attachment, I do intend to purchase a Klikfix brace and use it on my BF New World Tourist and put this one on my Cannondale...Suzanne Gibson had mentioned several months ago that she'd bought one for her new Friday and it was working well.

Know the rating is only on the brace. It's not awful for me, but I wouldn't recommend it to someone else based on what other cyclists have said. Therefore, it's only getting a mediocre rating from me because I believe it should not be a hassle for anyone.

Laura

      
#13: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Neil Gunton (admin) on Fri 28 Aug 2009 10:16 Edit Delete in reply to #12     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Hi Laura,

That is interesting! I wonder how you're doing it so that the cable is held in place by the bolt, and yet doesn't fray as a result of being tightened upon. That seems to be the design, so I kind of scratch my head over that one.

:P

Anyhow, you made it work for you, so good joob! Thanks for the input,

Neil

      
#14: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Jim Fitch on Fri 28 Aug 2009 10:18 Edit Delete in reply to #4     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
>> And another thing, the snaps that close the lid on the bag are too hard to open and close....

> Yes, and the lid on my handlebar bag doesn't seem to actually fit the bag body - it's just a little bit smaller than the body, it seems, and quite hard to get it over the lip. I've also found the snaps to be very stiff too.

I agree 100% with all this. And I think the cable attachment system is absolutely idiotic. The only time I've had to, I was able to re-use a cable, but it was a bit of a battle. I doubt it could be re-used again.

Jim

      
#15: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Jim Fitch on Fri 28 Aug 2009 10:26 Edit Delete in reply to #2     Reply (1)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Does the Ortlieb bag just snap into the Clickfix mount? Or is there some sort of adapter involved. If it just snaps in, I'll be getting one for sure.

Jim

      
#16: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By John Pickett on Fri 28 Aug 2009 11:05 Edit Delete in reply to #15     Reply (1)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Just snaps on, but you have to unsnap the top.

Actually the KlickFix also comes with a cable. I use it on my conventional touring bike which I use for commuting. On my Bike Friday I don't use the cable and I don't miss it.

When I encountered the cable problem with the Ortlieb mount I called the place I ordered it from and they sent me a new mount. By the time it arrived I had already acquired the KilckFix mount. I understand that this mount also works with another bag (Arkel, I think).

I long for my cheap old Cannondale handlebar bag with mesh pockets on both sides, a shoulder strap, a map case, and a zippered pocket on top for quick access to frequently used items. It wasn't the least bit waterproof but I made good use of it for 15 years. And it attached to its mount without a problem

      
#17: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Richard Moore on Fri 28 Aug 2009 20:39 Edit Delete in reply to #16     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
I too have transferred my handlebar bag three or four times without any problems at all. The wire is not a problem for me what so ever. I like the locking feature and when I place the bag on the mount I always lock it in place. I would use the shoulder strap if I could find it but I don't know where I put it. The outer mesh pocket would be a very nice addition. I don't have a problem with the lid on mine and I like the way it snaps in place.

      
#18: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
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By Ted Timmons on Fri 28 Aug 2009 23:09 Edit Delete in reply to #1     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Well, I'm going to give the mounting system a 4. I was skeptical of the cable system until I installed it and saw how stable it is. It won't slip at all like most other clamp on devices seem to. Granted I haven't had a need to remove and reinstall the mount.

I do agree with some other complaints of the bag. It takes considerable effort to get the top closed. The snaps aren't easy to attach. And, I couldn't endure the rattle the empty snaps on the lid made. But I fixed that by making a little strap out of an old tube and putting some snaps on it. I snap this into place on the lid and it stops the little rattle. It also is useful for holding gloves or glasses.

I also did not like the map holder that started flapping at, I think, about 18 mph. However I realized after a gust of wind flipped that map over the front of the bag, that that was the solution. Simply flip the map over when going fast enough and the wind holds it there and wa-la, no flapping. It also was a good gauge of headwinds/tailwinds. If it starts flapping at 8 mph, then I know I have an 10 mph headwind! If I'm going 30 mph when it starts flapping, then I've got a 12 mph tailwind (I think that's the math anyway).

I would like some sort of outside pockets (mine has none).

Ted

      
#19: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By [deleted] on Sat 29 Aug 2009 07:02 Edit Delete in reply to #1   (1)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
I had a no name knock off first, looked like an ortlieb, but was cheaper, bought it in Munich. Same night I put it in my tent. Stunk so bad of plastic I actually had to empty it and put it outside my tent for the night. The LBS in Munich was kind enough to give me a refund when I explained it. Next I bought a Deuter handlebar bag in another town. The glare from the map case was blinding me, The zipper lid was no good and 4 hours later one of the mounting rivets broke. I was 4 hours away so I fixed it temporarily with a nut and bolt. Later I backtracked to the small town and got a refund. I had emailed Deuter about it but no response, LBS gave me no grief and a full refund.
Okay I thought enough pi**ing around I bought an Ortlieb. Got it back to campground and mounted it but it had a faulty zipper! I liked the bag and Shusters in Munich just swapped with another one. I was starting to wonder if the gods did not want me to have a bag.
I love the bar bag except for everything mentioned prior to my post. What good is a lock if they can flip the lid and empty the bag. Duh!! never have used it, silly design, I could understand it if somehow it locked the lid shut.
Yes the snaps are a pain, mine is usually undone. Then one day I was doing a rapid decent and the lid started flapping and my map was about to blow out. I attended to these issues and never noticed my partner who was ahead of me was stopping, I came inches away from rear ending him. So the only time I snap up now,one snap, is prior to a decent.
Mounting, yes you have to mount it below where you want it as it raises as you tighten. The whole cable thing is goofy but I must admit it has been trouble free for 5000 rough kilometers. Also I tend to be a weight weiny and there sure isnt much weight to the system.
Shoulder strap post are useless, to me, as I have never used them. Outside pockets, yes please!!!
All that said, I still really like the bag.

      
#20: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Richard Moore on Sun 30 Aug 2009 19:47 Edit Delete in reply to #19     Reply (2)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
I would like to add what I think is an important item for this discussion. With the newer type of stems, the kind that you remove either two or four bolts at the handlebar end of the stem, it is not necessary to remove the wire for the handlebar bag mount. Simply loosen the three bolts that bind the handlebar mount and move the mount up and down until it is loose. Then work the two wires that go above and below the stem free. You can then remove the handlebar and the mount. When you want to place the handlebar mount onto another handlebar simply place one of the wires under and one over the bar. Then replace the wires onto the stem and tighten the stem bolts. The handlebar mount should be loose enough so that you can move it up and down to tighten upper and lower bolts on the stem. Then simply tighten the wires on the mount and you are set.

      
#21: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By John Nelson on Wed 9 Sep 2009 19:11 Edit Delete in reply to #20     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Thanks for that post, Richard. I would not have thought of that. I'll certainly try your technique when I want to remove my bars from the stem for packing. I'm not going to do it now, however, for fear that it will only work once.

      
#22: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
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By Royce Myers on Thu 10 Sep 2009 13:30 Edit Delete in reply to #20     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
So it's simple to move from one bike to another simply by removing the handlebar?

It's also easy to replace a clutch on a VW -- you just have to remove the engine.

I have moved it from one bike to another, once. From now on I'll buy a new mounting kit. That said, it's a great mounting system when it's on.

http://royceonabike.blogspot.com/2009/03/equipment-ortlieb-ultimte5-classic.html

      
#23: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
By Louise Henric Meldgard on Fri 11 Sep 2009 11:26 Edit Delete in reply to #6     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
Hi Neil
We have exactly that same green Ortleib bag in the photo...Ultimate 3 I think. Love it. On the last tour we were going to take single bikes so I bought a new Ultimate 5 classic for the second bike. Wasn't nearly as nice. Fabric was stiffer, the lid was impossible to close with one hand and no front net pocket.

Our new bag had a small crimp in one corner of the lid that would not allow it to close unless manipulated perfectly. After a couple of times I realized this was no good before I even mounted it so I sent it back and got another. It was alot better though the lid still needs to be carefully aligned with both hands. The old ultimate 3 was just flip it closed and snap. The snaps on the 5 are also alot stiffer than the 3.

I would disagree with the shoulder strap mounts as I always use the shoulder strap and used the net pocket to store the strap. Made carrying the bag much easier especially on a long walk. Now that the mesh pocket is gone on the new one its a bit harder to carry the strap.

As for the snap on map pocket. We never use it anymore. Just fold our maps and put them in a big zip lock. Fold them in half and they go into a jersey pocket or into the handle bar bag. The ortlieb sleeve is too expensive and after a while the plastic clouded up and you couldn't see through it very well.

Bring back the front net pocket...the two small side ones are useless.
Make the lid tolerance a little roomier.
Decrease the stiffness on the snaps a bit.
Get rid of the lock.
Be able to unbolt the handlebar from the stem without removing the mounting bracket.

In the end we took our tandem and only one of the bags...the older ultimate 3.

Henric

      
#24: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
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By Anne Cowan on Sat 26 Sep 2009 20:02 Edit Delete in reply to #1     Reply   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
After spending almost a YEAR looking for a handlebar bag WITH a map case, I finally bought this bag (Ultimate 5 classic) to use with two bikes, a touring bike and on a road bike which I use on supported rides, for rain gear, camera, snacks, etc. I bought two brackets, one for each bike so that I did not have to deal with the cable issue and moving the bracket back and forth. I still had to deal with it! After tightening the cable, I realized after tightening and fastening the screws that the bracket had elevated considerably so had to fix that by loosening the darned thing. If not, the bag would have been sticking out way too far. I made sure that on the second bike that I watched when tightening the cable that it did not happen again.

I originally bought the bag with the little side mesh pockets (Ultimate 5 Plus) but with a woman specific road bike, the handlebars did not give me enough clearance to allow the pockets, so I exchanged the bag for the one with no pockets. I would have loved the pocket in the front of the bag, however. :-(

After spending the month of August in Oregon on the road with this bag, I reiterate all the problems that others have had...the lid takes two hands or a special effort to close without the edges curling under, making it difficult to close easily. I DO use the pegs on the side for the carry strap, but make sure they "click" or the strap falls off, and it sometimes does anyway, which is really a pain in the neck. The bag insert that came with it was useless to me.

The problem of the tight snaps was at least partially solved by tying a short piece of 3mm p-cord in a loop through the black loop, giving me a little more length and leverage to pull it open using a finger through my extra loop. However, I do worry that this is putting undue stress on the snaps and black loops, but I have much trouble opening it if I do not do this. And, as several have mentioned, I do not snap both sides, just the side with my little added loop.

One last thing about the map case...It is very waterproof with the rolled velcro end and holds a good sized map. I agree with those who say it flaps. I noticed the noise issue the first day I used it and again, used a piece of p-cord and ran it through the folded edge of the map case with each end tied to the loops near the snaps on the bag (not the mapcase snaps). This scrunched the edges of the case and it did not entirely solve the problem, only decreased the noise. With speed, the case drove me batty with the noise. It already shows some signs of the darkening /opaqueness that another writer mentioned...after two weeks on the road.

I never use the lock...it is a waste of space, and would not keep someone out of the bag. I take it with me all the time if I leave the bike.

Would I buy the bag again?...with all the problems...yup! There is nothing else out there that is water proof, fits the bike well, has a waterproof mapcase (all others I have used leaked sooner or later in the day), and holds my stuff! I think there are many, many problems with the bag and would welcome the opportunity to have my thoughts passed on to Ortlieb, who ought to replace all of our bags with something functional and without all the problems noted here.

Those darn kids...now they are in MY yard...gotta go.

      
#25: Re: Ortlieb Handlebar Bag cable mounting system (thread)
Rating: **___ 
By Adrian Wagner on Fri 2 Oct 2009 22:00 Edit Delete in reply to #1     Reply (4)   Printable Relation | Link | Bookmark | Report
We just had two handle bar mounts sent Post Restante to Borneo, because the one on my wife's bike broke and mine doesn't look like it's going to survive the two more years on the road.

The problem that we were having with it is, that the screw with which you tighten the mount to the handle bar is turning the (long) nut inside of the handle bar mount. At this point in time, I won't be able to take my handle bar mount of the bicycle without having to cut the cable, because I simply can't loosen the screw anymore.

I'm aware that the mount needs to be light...but a metal nut within a plastic fitting? Doesn't sound like German quality to me.

I did notice the problem the OP mentions, but so far it hasn't made switching the mount impossible...


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